SPEAKER_01: 0:09

Welcome to the Absolute Dog Text in a Squirrel podcast. I'm Lauren Langman. I'm one of the world's leading dog trainers, and it's my mission to help owners become their dog's top priority. In each episode, you'll discover how to contrast and communicate with your dog like never before, creating unbreakable bonds that make you the most exciting part of their world. So finding the joy and finding the joy in life, dog training. I couldn't be joined by a better guest. Welcome, Bill.

SPEAKER_00: 0:38

Thank you, Lauren. Thanks for having me. I am so happy to see you because I haven't seen you in way too long. And by way too long, I just mean like a couple weeks, but it's, I mean, at least Zoom-wise, right? We haven't seen each other in person in a few months, but it feels like forever.

SPEAKER_01: 0:51

Like because I know I know.

SPEAKER_00: 0:53

I have fun with you.

SPEAKER_01: 0:54

And yeah, it really does feel like I could just pop in and hang out with a friend for a coffee or go to the beach or grab a juice or or like just hang out. And yeah, we're like worlds apart, and yet Zoom does make it doable, at least. And I'm so glad we get to share this with everybody here listening. Now, finding the joy in life, finding the joy in in dog training, finding the joy end of like, where do we start, Bill? Because sometimes it gets tricky, right? It gets tough. And I think that there are like questions and purpose and all these things that come into it. What about what you think? What does Bill think on all this?

SPEAKER_00: 1:31

Oh, what does Bill think? What does Bill think? Sometimes nothing. My mind's just a blank. But I one of the things that I I really make a conscious effort to do, and I'm sure you have people in your life that are similar where they are just infectiously good. You know what I mean? Like you just your behavior, your life is just better because they're around, you know? And I really make a conscious effort to continually track those people down and spend a little time with them. You know, I've I've got just I have so many diverse friends from different areas of life, former work colleagues, current work colleagues, just people I've met through other people, whatever. And you know, just even somebody you haven't talked to in a year, just reaching out and being like, hey, let's grab lunch. I have no agenda, nothing. Like, let's just grab lunch and talk. But I I think like you if you keep injecting not only good people, but diverse viewpoints and diverse personalities into your life, to me, that's always a good thing. And I think it's, I mean, it kind of reminds me similarly how you've expressed to me in the past what you do sometimes with dog training, which is you're just you're mixing up their day all the time and bringing you know new fun things into their life, but it's also just the variety kind of makes them a more well-rounded dog, I think, too, right?

SPEAKER_01: 2:53

Absolutely, like 100%. I love that. And yeah, I think I do that, but maybe not intentionally so, and intentionally so really makes it stronger. So I absolutely love that. And it made me think another thing that I do to help find the joy in both my dog training and my life would be sometimes when it's all way too much, like you're like, oh my goodness. I mean, today Matt and I made a real effort to do this, just head out in nature, get outside, even if it's five minutes, like 50 seconds, like getting out, and I can be having like the toughest, most full-on day, and I can get outside and I can find myself watching the chickens within like 10 seconds and just being mesmerized by the fact they're pecking the ground and doing this with their feet. And like I just I just find myself really, I find so much more joy when I've had 10 minutes outside.

SPEAKER_00: 3:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 3:41

Even in the rain, and you know I don't think much of the rain in Soakhampton, and you know I definitely would be more of a a Bill beach babe on on the on the beach, I think would be way more suited to my climate and my uh temperature likes. But yeah, I really, I really think being out in nature just again allows me to find even more joy.

SPEAKER_00: 4:00

Well, you'll be you'll be, I guess you'll feel a little bit of joy knowing that we had rain at the beach yesterday, too. So we were we were channeling our our little our inner England. The other thing that I've really, really embraced lately are the little winds. And it's you know, I as you know, like personally and professionally, I have like some mountains in front of me that just seem insurmountable right now, right? And I and it's sometimes it feels like I'm sliding down the mountain, I'm not climbing up, like it really does not feel like I'm I'm making headway. But it's not even about celebrating the little wins, it's just taking the win, you know what I mean? And and sometimes that win could just be like, hey, I opened this letter today that I've been dreading opening for a while and I read it. I'm taking a win, you know, like that's it. I I I tackled that little thing. And and that to me is actually helping because it's instead of focusing nonstop on the mountain in front of me, like I'm just like, hey, can I do something productive today? Can I, can I, you know, can I move the ball one inch? And and that really does help me, but I I assume that it's probably similar. I because I can imagine, like, if you're you know, for you personally and for training, like if you're training and your dog does it, you know, you try 10 times, they do it 10 times wrong. You know, the next time you try 10 times, they do it one time right, but nine times wrong. That's like, can you take the win and the one?

SPEAKER_01: 5:21

Like, can you absolutely, absolutely, and and sometimes that win is like you you have to look for it and and you you hunt it out and you take it. And I I I I yeah, I massively believe in that. And I suppose with that, Bill, like you said, hanging around with the right people, taking the right mindset and taking the right attitude when you're when you're there, getting out in the open space. Another one for me, like finding the joy, is definitely when I've got an expectation trying to trade it for some level of gratitude, like trying to go actually, I feel grateful here rather than expectation an expectation of something happening in a certain order. And I'll give you an example of that: competing at Crufts. Rather than being, I'm expecting to win, or I'm expecting to do well, or I'm expecting to for this to go like really, really perfectly, actually just being really grateful in the moment for being in that environment, grateful in the moment for being around amazing people, grateful in the moment for being able to take a dog and a dog actually wanting to be in that like tough and pressured environment, which is thousands and thousands of people, and actually just being really grateful to have the experience. And the experience doesn't have to be perfect, like the experience doesn't have to be everything's sparkly and everything's like clear and everything's happy. Actually, the experience could be that you arrived late or the you got water splashed up you buy a car, or like take the moment, wow, that was refreshing. Or um, or you know what? I had a I had a lunch date yesterday with Matt and my friend and uh our good friend Kev. And it was really nice to not be in a rush. I just sat there and ate and chilled and chatted, and we chatted through, we chatted through the website and we chatted through some level of like new processes, we chatted through a bit of life, we chatted through a little bit of dogs, and like you know what, it was really nice not to be like hustled and hassled and and and rushed, which often in in my day-to-day I am, created often by myself, uh, I may add. And I think it really, really is a noticeable, enjoyable, pleasant experience when you can take a level of happiness from the simple stuff. Like that is for me finding the joy in life. It was savouring the m the the bite of food I was on, or or taking a moment to really enjoy like a a chai latte or taking that moment to really taste something. Like I think that that is where for me finding the joy really comes from. Like it it starts to it starts to come from within instead of like you you start to really feel it in every moment.

SPEAKER_00: 7:57

Yeah, I look, I couldn't agree with you more on that. I think, you know, you know I'm a bit crazy, and I can go down a in a good way, I can go down a good mental rabbit hole with just about anything. I was I was not too long ago, I was explaining to Allie, who you know she's you know, she's definitely like business as opposed to art. I'm I'm like 80% art and 20% business. Um and so she she said to me, she's like, I you know, I don't know if I really am good at interpreting art. Like, why why do people spend so much time looking at paintings? You know, like it's just not her thing, really. And so I said, okay, and I just I took a piece of art that we just happened to be standing in front of that I didn't necessarily even love. It was just it was a painting on a wall, and I started breaking it down. And I just started going through like layers and layers and layers, and I'm like, I don't even like this painting, right? But I can go, I can ask a million questions about it. Like, why this perspective, why this point of view, why did you pick that color? Why why are we seeing more of this and less of this? And I'm just breaking it down piece by piece by piece. But I think you can do the same thing. Like you can again, you can look at a tree and you can just think back to the moment that it was a seed, you know, and why did this branch come off this way? And why did why is this leaf coming off this way? Like it just you can you can take that moment and and and just really like it's almost like a meditative state with just about anything, you know. And and I think that's fun sometimes because it does, as you were saying, like it kind of forces you to stop and appreciate, you know, and or it doesn't have to be something you love, it could just be something that you want to take time to understand better. You know, you just just like where is this coming from, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 9:40

And I was thinking to add to that, you I mean, my dad was very autistic. He was, he was, he was there and he could just get lost in art. I think the other thing is, again, like no expectation, no expectation, actually being in that moment and just having appreciation. I think that appreciation moment where you where you trade all the expectations for just being appreciative of what it is or what it isn't, like just appreciate both. I think that it just changes the way that your whole rather than look for what is not there, looking for what is there, like finding the good in whatever it is. There are lots of creative spaces that I don't always understand, but trying to find the good in them, yeah. I know I love it. And I love the meditative state. I think that's really nice. Like when you take yourself into that space, you're for me, everything slows down, and I think that's quite important. And and it also really helps with finding the joy.

unknown: 10:35

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 10:36

Like if I do slow down, and yeah, it's really hard to slow down.

SPEAKER_00: 10:39

The other the other one, and this will sound maybe this doesn't sound like the joy, but it for me again it creates more joy when you're when you're calmer, it creates more joy, I think. Is I think often like we're we're bottling up a lot of stuff inside of us that we don't want to talk about or don't even feel safe to talk about. And obviously the best case scenario is you have a friend or a trusted colleague or somebody that you can just be like, I just need to vet. Like I just need I need to just rant for 20 minutes. You don't even have to respond, I just need to go, like, and just get it off my chest. Because once it's out, I think it's it's it's a it has a different energy, right? When it's all bottled up inside of you, it's just eating you alive, and you're mentally going through conversations that are never actually going to happen, right? They're just driving you nuts. And so I think you know, the ability to vent, but I've done this sometimes, and this is a really to me, it's a very healthy thing, is you know, open up a word doc or grab a piece of paper or draft an email, don't put the send person in there, and and write it. Just write the whole thing, write every stupid thing you want to say, write the entire thing because you'd be surprised when you write it down, it's it's it's there, you've captured it, and it's no longer in you. You you actually got it out.

SPEAKER_01: 11:56

A masterpiece, make it an essay, make it a literally a dissertation, like you go at it, and and absolutely, and then if you want to print it and burn it, or if you want to print it and even if you do want to send it.

SPEAKER_00: 12:08

Say put it in your draft file, whatever. It doesn't matter, you know what I mean? But it's it's no longer eating you up, yeah. Because we got it out.

SPEAKER_01: 12:16

It's a really important one. I one of the differences between my dad and and I, and for those people that don't know, I lost my dad last year. For me, one of the big differences is I would be able to process something and not internalize it. He would always internalize it and find a way to take it personally. He he he really struggled to move it on. He really struggled to move it on. And I think this links really nicely to a point that you made to me earlier, Bill. Really, I think this is a brilliant point. You said to me earlier, one of the things that has really helped you is learning to control the controllable and learning to let go of the stuff that's not controllable.

SPEAKER_00: 14:20

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's it's it's hard because you know, it it I mean, as we were talking, and we didn't you and I didn't even talk politics or anything, but we all know politics is just such a hot button thing everywhere in the world right now. Of course, my country leading the way. Yay, but you know, I have to step back and I just have to go, you know, I'm gonna do my little part, whatever that is. You're gonna vote, you're gonna whatever. But I can't get caught up every day in this, you know, this gerbil wheel of just nonstop, you know, just angst, you know, because I can't control it. Like I can't, I'm not in a position to wake up every I don't, I'm not a member of Congress or something. I can't do like I don't I can't affect change at that level. And if I spend a bunch of time doing that, I'm ignoring my own life. You know, I'm ignoring my own joy, I'm ignoring my own, you know, I'm not getting to have that lunch with a friend, I'm not getting to to do anything. And so, you know, control what you can control, the stuff you can't control, you gotta kind of step back for a second and just go, I'm gonna that's gonna play out. And the other thing is, you you've heard me say this before, like the the most valuable thing you have is time, but in every sense of the word, right? If if I said to you today, like we gotta make this decision, and you said, I'm gonna hold off till tomorrow, all sorts of things happen between today and tomorrow, right? You get new information, the the the the playing field changes, you know. So I think just giving things time to play out sometimes is really good because you just you're just getting more information and that's actually gonna make your life easier because the the the field changed, you know. I have a I have a little bit of a I have a dog question for you, but it's maybe along the lines of what we're talking about, but but maybe not. Um like I think to me, like there's there's that old saying, like, you can't teach an old dog new tricks, right? And dogs I think definitely get set in their way, right? And they're definitely used to this, that, or the other, right? They get very accustomed to, you know, I eat dinner at this time, or I go to sleep here, or you know, I don't like this, or I do like that. However, my experience has been, especially like if if I'm if I'm dog sitting for a friend and they're and their dog is over, you know, obviously I don't even know their routine, right? I don't know this dog's routine, they don't know my routine. So I don't know that you eat dinner at 7:30 or 8 o'clock or whatever the thing is, and I don't know that you're used to sleeping here or sleeping there. So we're at my house and we're just doing it my way, you know, and I'm not trying to like be mean or anything, it's just like I don't know. But it seems to me like they adapt very quickly, like they seem to just go with the flow very quickly, and then it often makes me wonder if people are overthinking the fact that their dog maybe doesn't like or won't change or won't do this. Is it them that won't change or is it the person that won't change? You know what I mean? Like, is it yeah? You tell me what you think about all that.

SPEAKER_01: 17:20

I think dogs are brilliant at just being present and in the moment, and I think they are wonderful to remind us how to live and why we live. And I remember thinking when I lost my dear Tokyo, I remember thinking, you know what, I wish I'd taken myself less seriously. I wish I'd had a bit more of him like rolling on your back in the sunshine, like just enjoyed his life, like throwing toys around and just had had a had a good time. And and whether it's good or bad, I what I love with dogs is they kind of take it as you say it is. So if you wake up and you're having a bad day, the dog's like, Oh, we're having a bad day. Or if you wake up and having a great day, the dog's like, Yes, having a great day. And if you're in a spaniel, it's always a great day. And um, and I think uh it depends on how emotionally intelligent I think the dog is. And I I do think some dogs uh sit higher on that emotional intelligence space than others. My colleagues typically would sit higher than my spaniels, I would say, on the whole, just way more like quick to read, like an emotion. And for me, I think the ability to live in the moment, like they're not thinking about what the future might hold or what them but what what they did in the past. They're not thinking, shouldn't have rolled in that fox poo or shouldn't have shouldn't have weed on their bed or whatever else they did. Dogs don't think like that. And I remember my dad once saying to me, he knew or she knew she did something wrong. And I'm like, no, all she knew is how you responded. She didn't know that was wrong. They only know how you say it is. So dogs really only know how you say it is, and and they don't think like they're they're scoffing, like, I don't know, some food they shouldn't be eating. They don't think I'm gonna feel sick later. Like, that's just not the the level of being that we're working with. And I really enjoyed that about about dogs, the the presence in the moment. And then to to top it all off, when you were saying, like you're talking earlier about like politics and seriousness and everything else, and watching dogs live in the moment, earlier I looked out the window and I saw my mum walking a cat, Bill. Walking a cat on a lead and a harness. So when it comes to taking yourself serious seriously, really on a harness, and so when it comes to taking yourself seriously, and we were in a really serious meeting, Matt and I were like all serious, and like sat there all serious, and then we just saw the cat on this turquoise lead, and my mum in a turquoise coat going past the window. I was in stitches because I think again that's the finding the joy, isn't it? It's the little things where Matt and I just give each other this look like did that just happen, and like, yeah, that just happened. And we're on the call that it was like like budgets and like fairly serious, and like do this and do that, and need to hit this deadline and do that there. And it was all these like things where you're like nodding away, and then you're like, and now there is a cat walking behind the window on a harness with my mother attached.

SPEAKER_00: 20:03

Yeah, so you don't I mean, but you don't believe in the can't teach an old dog no tricks, right? You believe in the everyday is a new opportunity.

SPEAKER_01: 20:09

I think some dogs are more flexible than others. I think most dogs are have a level of adaptability and flexibility. I do think some dogs pair faster than others. I think on the whole, uh dogs live in the moment. I think they're very, very present. And I think that they they don't think future and they don't think past too too far. Maybe a little, but future, but but not but not so much. And for me, that's part of what I really enjoy about owning a dog or being owned by a dog or being a guardian of a dog, that they they really just remind you to live in the present moment and to enjoy, to enjoy each second. Like you watch a dog go swimming, or I don't know if you remember Bill, but we were in the gorgeous Watergate Bay and we took Tokyo with us along the beach. I don't know if you remember what he was like with seaweed when he was like like dashing himself in and out of rock pools and and having the best day. I just I I love how like they I mean, there he was like four-year-old dogs splashing away in all of the rock pools and just loving life. Like I love that about dogs. I love that they like we wouldn't just like jump in the rock pool and have a have a great time, right? Like they're there's they're they're playful, they're in the moment, they are all about the joy. Dogs do what feels good. Dogs do what feels good. They don't think I'm gonna do this to invest in this later. They think this feels good right now, and they do what feels good right now, whether it's rolling fox poo, chase a sheep, or I don't know, run after a squirrel, they do what feels good right now. They do what feels right right now.

SPEAKER_00: 21:37

One of the funniest things I've I've seen. I mean, dogs are funny to me anyway, but one of the funniest things that I see them do is like you ever see a dog when they're they're taking a nap, they get up, and all of a sudden it's just like they'll spot a toy and just be like, I am just gonna play the hell with that toy right now. And you're just like out of a dead sleep. They just like walk over, flip it in the air, start rolling around, and you're just like, why? What what inspired you? Like, like, I mean, cool, sure.

SPEAKER_01: 22:05

And I love that, but there's that saying, those that play together stay together, or like those that play basically stay stay young. Like, I do think loads of people age prematurely because they don't play anymore, that they stop playing. Like, let's not again, let's not take our tell ourselves too too seriously. Like, I think that we we don't want to stop playing. We always want to be playing, we always want to be playful, we always want to be enjoying the the life that we get to live and and just how privileged we are to be here and to be this like part of all of this. I yeah, my my dogs really help me to do that. I mean, Blink, I'll give you an example, Blink. You flush the toilet, she loves water so much that she will dive in the toilet, Bill. That's how much she loves water. She has no problem head diving, and you're like, oh my god, and then you realize it's Blink's head down the toilet because she's so happy there's water.

SPEAKER_00: 22:56

Now, now I could picture Tokyo having done that too.

SPEAKER_01: 22:59

Oh, absolutely, absolutely. I'm sure Blink would have had a a chance to educate him properly in that because water is life, and and they really took that seriously. Water is life. Um yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00: 23:10

Like I remember Tokyo swimming in that little, that little the little pool at the, you know, when we were we were walking on the beach. Yeah, yeah, you know, and just like boom, like right in.

SPEAKER_01: 23:21

Seaweed, seaweed, rock pool, splashing, entertaining, like just having the best days, like having the best days. And I love that about them, like so, so, so present and so so raw and so real. And they're not thinking the other thing is they don't think I'm gonna get cold. They're like in there, rah, and they're like cold now. Um and there's there's that like there's that meme, like, you cold, no, I'm not cold. Like, and they're like, Well, that's like kids, not cold.

SPEAKER_00: 23:46

I mean, like little kids are that way too. Like they're they're they if there's water and a child, they will find each other. Like, that's just like a magnet.

SPEAKER_01: 23:52

Like it's gorgeous, it's gorgeous, isn't it? Like, yeah, it just reminds you of of what it's all about. And I suppose finding the joy for me, the other real realization I had not not a long, long time ago was it's actually in the sort of the whole the whole journey and the process, it's not just the outcome. And and and this was a massive revelation. I won lots and lots of big events, and I won championship after championship, and won loads of different like great things, won business awards, and I've had loads of success, like insane success. But it's not actually the end result, it's all of those little bits on your way there, and all of your learnings on the way there. For me, that's finding the joy, that's an understanding the joy, that's feeling the joy, that's the appreciation of what of what's happening. It's huge, absolutely huge.

SPEAKER_00: 24:41

So, let me ask you this one too, because I think this is probably something that people get wrong for themselves and for dogs all the time is food. So I I think obviously people reward themselves with food probably when they shouldn't, and with food that they shouldn't be eating. And I'm I'm at the top of the list of people who does that, you know. So I'm not this I'm passing zero judgment, okay? I love Cheetos, I love all kinds of bad stuff, I love ice cream, all of it. I'm like a big child, I never say no to myself or anything that I want. Like it's the worst. But I think people extend that same thing with dogs because I think they can get this in this immediate reaction, like, oh, I gave this dog this treat, I gave this dog this piece of meat, I gave him something from the table, whatever. Now they love me, you know. And I think what's sad is probably that you see at least I've seen a lot of dogs who are definitely overweight. Because the dog's never gonna say no to food. And I think they're they're they're overweight and they're unhappy, really. They they can't tell you they're unhappy, they're not getting happier from all this food, right? Um, but they're never gonna have the awareness to have that conversation, you know, because they're not conversation.

SPEAKER_01: 25:57

No, I mean, I mean, I mean, labradors are a great example. They actually have a faulty gene that says carry on eating, like there's there, and it really is a thing, like they they they will eat and eat and eat and eat that it there's nothing to say stop. I think I have the faulty gene too. Maybe you and me both, Bill, because we both like eating a lot. Um and I really do, I really do. I I Matt and I last night we ate the most massive bar of chocolate. I mean, it was just huge. And and I said to him, we've got to work.

SPEAKER_00: 26:21

Well, Matt's got the sweet tooth for sure.

SPEAKER_01: 26:22

Oh my god, we both do. And a hundred percent uh we it we owe it to our dogs. Like I look around my dogs and they're all so fit and healthy. They're so fit, they're all fit. I just need to apply the same boundaries and diligence to my own diet. They eat raw food, they eat great supplement, they eat brilliant AO canine, like they eat so much goodness. I just need to apply the same to my lifestyle. It's hard.

SPEAKER_00: 26:46

How do you stop yourself from wanting to reward a dog with food? Like, what's the what's the off? Like, is it petting?

SPEAKER_01: 26:52

Is it I mean, I do. I reward them with a lot of food, but it just comes out of their daily enrichment. So they they have less of it. So it's so effectively they're still under the calories, not over at the point I'm feeding them. And at the point they're gonna go over their calories, and I might switch. Today I was playing with a rabbit ball, Wilde, your friend Wilde. Wild wanted the rabbit ball badly. She was like livid about the rabbit ball, she was so excited about the rabbit ball, she was ragging the rabbit ball, she was ravenous for the rabbit ball, absolutely happy about the rabbit ball. So she was over the moon about the rabbit ball. So yeah, it was great.

SPEAKER_00: 27:23

So funny. That's so funny. But she what was that toy that we got when you were here?

SPEAKER_01: 27:28

Oh, we got the lobster. We had we had the blue lobster.

SPEAKER_00: 27:32

Is that still around?

SPEAKER_01: 27:32

It's still around, still around. It's got a little song and everything. The lobster has a lobby lobster song. So yeah, it's good. It's good. Yeah, no, she loved it, she absolutely loved it.

SPEAKER_00: 27:41

So I suppose let's record that song. Let's do that. Let's put it let's put it out as a single.

SPEAKER_01: 27:46

We should get our friend to do it with us.

SPEAKER_00: 27:48

Yeah, we'll get Frank.

SPEAKER_01: 27:49

Let's get Frank on it. We need to get Frank back. I I suppose ultimately finding the joy. The other thing I think this is really important is deep down, it's down to you, Bill. No, deep down, it's down to us individually. It's down to it's not someone else's job to find the joy for us. And although there are lots of things out there that can support and help, we get to own it, we get to put ourselves on the path, we get to make the decisions, we get to say yay and nay, we get to effectively guard ourselves and be the guardian of ourselves and lead by our own example. And so for me, whenever I'm feeling lacking in joy, I've got lots of different ways to top it up, which is great. But equally, it's my duty too, not anyone else's. I think that's quite important too.

SPEAKER_00: 28:41

Yeah, and and I just I think I would just add, like, for me, joy, joy, scale doesn't matter to joy. So if you can't find joy in the little things, you're not going to find them in the big things either. So if you you have to appreciate the little stuff, you know, it it's you know me, my favorite thing in the world, reading a book, drinking my tea with honey near the ocean. That's it. Like it doesn't, if I had a billion dollars tomorrow, I would be reading a book and drinking tea by the ocean. Like it it doesn't, if you don't find joy in something that is, you know, the simple thing, you're you're not like making that bigger isn't really going to change the joy level to me.

SPEAKER_01: 29:20

I love that. I really love that. So, guys, if you're listening, what brings you joy? And what allows you to sit by the ocean, sipping your tea with your honey, reading a book for me again in the sunshine, walking along the coast with a dog. Like, what is it that brings you joy? Do you know it? Maybe you don't know it right now, and maybe it's something that you're gonna look for, and maybe it's something that you're gonna recognize better. Ultimately, for Bill and I, we both know these tips are gonna start you on the journey. And we also know that there's more of the journey to come. Bill, are you up for joining me again sometime soon to make sure we share more of this joy with everybody here?

SPEAKER_00: 29:58

Definitely. And I what I'd actually like to hear from everybody too, what's the craziest thing that brings your dog joy? I'd love to hear that.

SPEAKER_01: 30:05

Yes, bring it, guys. So that was this episode. I want to see you next time. And I know that Bill will be back. Share it, like it, love it, share it with your mother, sister, father, brother, long lost lover. We'll see you guys real soon.